Size inclusive

For the last couple of weeks, I have had some very hurtful, negative, comments about my latest knitting design, from women on social media and in groups – often with multiple exclamation marks about their oppinion about my Kaleidoscope pattern not being size inclusive.

My design was made for me, lovingly and creatively. It took 4 months to knit and design and write, alter, chart, photograph, teach the test knitter and promote the pattern. I put the pattern out honestly, with care and great attention to detail yet I have been constantly hammered about the pattern not being size inclusive because it’s one size up to 44 chest.

To make it every size in this pattern, would be a completely new pattern for each size and a test knit also. It is made up of 44 stitch repeat so to make it work, it would either go up or down in increments of 44 stitches which affects the alignment, where the V neck sits, the exgtra decreases on the armpits and shoulders and then the size of the sleeve would alter each time to fit. This is not just a quick adjustment, each size would be a completely new pattern and test knit. Size inclusive is not a law. It is a design choice if that cannot happen. It would take 18 months to write 4 patterns and do 4 test knits.

But my pattern is just one person’s creative vision – Mine. It is, however, inclusive for boys and my friend shows that in the photo taken this afternoon. It’s a beautiful knit and I’m stopped all the time when I wear it – A little like, ‘that’s a nice puppy’, kinda stopping to stroke and touch.

The negative comments and exclamation marks that I have received this past two weeks have not knocked my confidence in this piece but has made me want to stop sharing, stop teaching online colour work skills and stop designing – so, I put a notice to reflec this on a Stranded Knits facebook group and we broke facebook posts in 10 minutes with over 100 positive comments (just one little snidey comment)

The post that I put on the Facebook group this afternoon re balanced me. The women were supportive and really understood how social media forums are a space for anyone to say anything they like but would not say in a conversation face to face. They were all calm and helpful because I said that I would not answer any negative comments. It went wild. Over 60 positive comments and my responses in about 10 minutes until FB stopped after the 100th.

here are a few of the comments:-

1 Size inclusivity really matters. But as someone who advocates for consumer rights, I find it’s most productive to focus our advocacy on major brands and big-name designers. People may not understand that for indie designers, scaling up complex patterns like this is indeed similar to writing a new pattern in each size—meaning it’s just not feasible. I’m sorry that as an indie designer with just a couple jumper patterns available, you’ve been caught up in these dynamics—but I hope you also understand the advocates’ perspectives and feelings. It’s such a challenging systemic issue.

2 I find that designing sweaters and publishing good patterns is just not worth my time. The return (number of patterns sold) vs. the investment (knit first test, find and supervise test knitters, write pattern, revise pattern, photograph item) is just not workable. Socks are a better return for me as far as writing patterns. I knit sweaters for myself (size 3X) or my loved ones occasionally.

  • I agree. The wool for me and the test knitter was £200 to cover everything that’s without all the hundreds and hundreds of hours

3 It gets a bit exhausting when the dreamer gets questioned on why wasn’t it the dream for everyone? 🤣

I get for plain patterns why some get ouchy that it’s not in many sizes, but for cable work, stranded work: it’s a lot of math and a lot of testing and even then is NOT a guarantee that your construction “works” on a body, even if it matches the inches. Hang and drape and look are very subjective. And then you, the designer, is who gets yelled at because they did make it in size 84” and they spent “a lot of time and a lot of money on this amount of yarn” and then the sleeve didn’t set right “on them”.

People as a whole: if ANY knit pattern doesn’t suit YOU, just edit it. Tinker with it. Frog it and start again. And by the time you’ve redone your sweater five times to make it work “for you” realize the designer would’ve had to do “that” a million fold, if they wanted to make the pattern include every conceivable body. You’re basically expecting a masterclass in custom knitting fitting, for an $8 pattern. 

In all, there were too many comments and we were not allowed to add any more – they were automatically turned off.

Here is a beautiful Shetland comment from a lady who also designs –

Your hard work. Your pattern. Your design publication. Your artist license Folk can choose tae enjoy, support & purchase…or scroll on. Dinna pay da moaners (trolls) ony heed & dinna respond tae dem. I received a message fae some een telling me I didna hay tae write in Shetland dialect  – as du can see, I stopped, joost fir dem…nah 

🤣

 Dinna stop being YOU Tracey Doxey and keep lovin’ whit you create 

I felt stronger after the supportive comments and I will not stop being me but this post, I think, is about the hurt that women cause women on social media when they do not have an informed opinion – it is a dig.

here is the pattern. and yes, the additional sleeve is an extra pattern because it is a design in itself – and here also is the test knit image with the Tree and Star Sleeves.

Kaleidoscope Jumper pattern

Make of it what you will

It may be my last ever pattern 🙂

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Author: traceydoxeydesigns

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15 thoughts on “Size inclusive”

  1. So sorry you were caught up in the widespread hate that sometimes seems the norm in all social media these days. There are many wonderful people out there but the number (and amplitude) of the haters can drown out the good.

    Write your patterns, as you choose, in your own time. And remember all the positive comments you are getting. Sending hugs, Kathleen

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  2. unfortunately you can’t please everybody. I personally wouldn’t stop with patterns or class teaching. If this is your passion but I do know if you made the pattern size inclusive the price would have to go up and I am sure that is another issue some people would have prices as it’s alot of work. So in the end it’s dam if you do and dam if you don’t. I say stop being you with your creativity and sharing your knowledge I am sure there will people who will pay as I did when I took your color blending classes online. Keep your head up. The world is hard enough these days. All the best.

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  3. Don’t let the nasty people dissuade you from creating beautiful things whatever they are. Most of those people are jealous of your commitment, hard work, and creativity. They do not have the expertise, understanding, ability, or willingness to invest their time to CREATE.

    Please know that 99% of your followers are deeply grateful for your patterns and advanced techniques. The 1% of meanies don’t warrant one second of your time!

    Consider me in the 99% that are blown away by your commitment and skill in keeping an ancient tradition alive.😍🤩❤️

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  4. Dear Tracey

    I follow your newsletters and your work. I think it’s great. I haven’t bought your pattern yet because of other work I am knitting first. The size will fit a lot of people so please don’t let it get to you that other people complain. I understand how much work it is to adapt the pattern. Don’t lose your happiness about it !

    Laura Stel

    Nijverdal, the Netherlands

    Verzonden vanaf Outlook voor Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg

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  5. Your patterns are just stunning, Tracey – there’s alot of ignorance in the world, don’t let it deter you. I haven’t bought your lovely and unique pattern as yet, because of: time, knitting currently on my needles and in my queue, and because I think it’s a step or two beyond me as yet.

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  6. Beautiful sweater. Every pattern does not need to be “size inclusive” (which is the woke word for XXX). Don’t feel your target audience is Everyone. Yep, if you are outside the dimensions of the pattern, you aren’t the target audience. I have knit a pattern that was one size. I was lucky enough to fit my size but if not, I just would have moved on to find a pattern in my size. Pull up your huge panties ladies and behave like an adult. Honestly, there a lot of “size inclusive” patterns that do not look good when knit to a 70+ bust!! Sorry but with the exception of a crop top, if the width is more than the length, nothing can make it look good. Ouch, did I just step on a ‘hot topic”.

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